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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237217966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237217966">(May 03 2021 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
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<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
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<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>love the nesting xoxo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237217987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237217987">(May 03 2021 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
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<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>love the nesting xoxo</p>
</blockquote>
<p>starting to feel like a mailing list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218025" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> bstrie <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218025">(May 03 2021 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217987">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
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<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>love the nesting xoxo</p>
</blockquote>
<p>starting to feel like a mailing list</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was thinking tumblr...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218081" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218081">(May 03 2021 at 19:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Needs more top-posting</p>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217987">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>love the nesting xoxo</p>
</blockquote>
<p>starting to feel like a mailing list</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218365" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218365">(May 03 2021 at 19:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>As an aside, this is reminding me of <a href="https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/">https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/</a> . Parts of which are harder in the Rust developer community because <em>everyone</em> is what that post describes as "interesting", and there's only "interesting" and "especially interesting". :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218457">(May 03 2021 at 19:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="138448">cuviper</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237218081">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Needs more top-posting</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's just evil.</p>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="138448">cuviper</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237218081">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217987">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>love the nesting xoxo</p>
</blockquote>
<p>starting to feel like a mailing list<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218829">(May 03 2021 at 19:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh dear</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237218939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237218939">(May 03 2021 at 19:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(should I move those messages to a different thread?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219212">(May 03 2021 at 19:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah let's deprecate this thread <del>and make it an hard error in the next edition</del></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219287" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219287">(May 03 2021 at 19:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237218939">said</a>:</p>
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<p>(should I move those messages to a different thread?)</p>
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<p>I mean the original thread also needs to be split into like half a dozen, if you're bored :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219498" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219498">(May 03 2021 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>need to go back fixing <a href="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> <span aria-label="upside down" class="emoji emoji-1f643" role="img" title="upside down">:upside_down:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219517" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219517">(May 03 2021 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh dear. what did it do?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219548">(May 03 2021 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p><del>what doesn't <a href="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> do</del></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219549" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219549">(May 03 2021 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh it's not down, we just need to add an index otherwise a background job uses too many resources</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219559">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237219498">said</a>:</p>
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<p>need to go back fixing <a href="http://crates.io">crates.io</a> <span aria-label="upside down" class="emoji emoji-1f643" role="img" title="upside down">:upside_down:</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>understandable, have a nice day ^_^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219576" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219576">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>are people writing too much rust code?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219604" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219604">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>(as nice as whatever you're doing allows, ofc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219606">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>good problems</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219622" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219622">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237219576">said</a>:</p>
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<p>are people writing too much rust code?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>ah the "crater now takes a month" problem</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219634" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219634">(May 03 2021 at 19:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237219576">said</a>:</p>
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<p>are people writing too much rust code?</p>
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<p>that'd be a great problem to have!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237219679" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237219679">(May 03 2021 at 20:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>:D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237220216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Frank Steffahn <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237220216">(May 03 2021 at 20:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237218457">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="138448">cuviper</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237218081">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Needs more top-posting</p>
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<p>That's just evil.</p>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="138448">cuviper</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237218081">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217987">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217481">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="271719">Mario Carneiro</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217346">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217173">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="256342">bstrie</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217108">said</a>:</p>
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<p>it sounds like there's demand for a #specification zulip stream :)</p>
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<p>I think, <em>before</em> such a thing happens, we should have a proposal and charter by lang and libs, for what exactly a spec should try to achieve.</p>
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<p>If too much pressure is put on the spec to be normative, then it will definitely stall</p>
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<p>If a spec is published, people will <em>expect</em> it to be normative. If we're not prepared to treat it as at least partially normative, we shouldn't do it.</p>
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<p>love the nesting xoxo<br>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span>  I just caught up to the whole other thread. That nesting popped out nicely, I liked it too. Thanks for opening this thread. <em>(Center-posting ftw…)</em></p>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="121055">Pietro Albini</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow/near/237218457">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="138448">cuviper</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237218081">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="310399">Mara</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217987">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="119009">eddyb</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/denying.20edition.202015.20deprecated.20APIs/near/237217966">said</a>:<br>
starting to feel like a mailing list</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237220618" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237220618">(May 03 2021 at 20:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me precautiously calls <code>std::sys::unix::stack_overflow::imp::init()</code>, just in case</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237220916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237220916">(May 03 2021 at 20:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>OMG why did Rust <code>SIGSEGV</code>, the safety is a lie!!!!111</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237221079" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237221079">(May 03 2021 at 20:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm, should be SIGABRT though <span aria-label="thinking" class="emoji emoji-1f914" role="img" title="thinking">:thinking:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237221308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237221308">(May 03 2021 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's a <code>SIGSEGV</code> first (or <code>SIGBUS</code> on some targets I think) and then our handler tries to recognize that and abort with a message about the stack</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237221327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mara <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237221327">(May 03 2021 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237221375" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237221375">(May 03 2021 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><code>SIGBUS</code> is an implementation detail of public transit, don't @ me</p>



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<p><span aria-label="bus" class="emoji emoji-1f68c" role="img" title="bus">:bus:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/268952-edition%202021/topic/stack%20overflow/near/237223383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Notification Bot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/268952-edition-2021/topic/stack.20overflow.html#237223383">(May 03 2021 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>This topic was moved by <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> to <a class="stream-topic" data-stream-id="122651" href="/#narrow/stream/122651-general/topic/stack.20overflow.20handling">#general &gt; stack overflow handling</a></p>



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